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Marlow
03-14-2007, 12:38 PM
A fun read. Jonah Goldberg really makes the dryest subjects fun with his writing. While I agree that degate and disagreement is a good thing, we (I mean in general, not here) can be a little less vitriolic about it.



Unity Is Overrated
What's so bad about partisanship?
By Jonah Goldberg

Because we’re at the start of the electoral roller coaster, the part where the car slowly chugs upward, building anticipation for the gut-wrenching plunges and loop-the-loops ahead, I’d like to hand out a little political Dramamine.

It has become a central ritual of our times for Beltway priests like the Washington Post’s David Broder to lament the coarseness, acidity and all-around ickiness of our polarized political culture. They’re not absolutely wrong. All I need to do to appreciate the toxicity of the political culture is check my e-mail each morning.

Indeed, since at least the election of Ronald Reagan, the left and the right have grown ever more snappish with each other. Each feels entitled to take the wheel without suffering any backseat driving. Each side feels the other is illegitimate in some way, and somehow that justifies their nastiness. That can be a shame, but really, it’s not the end of the world.

We’ve seen worse. For example, in his 2004 book, The Two Americas, Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg proclaimed: “Our nation’s political landscape is now divided more deeply and more evenly than perhaps ever before.”

This might strike some — say, anyone who’s seen the Gone with the Wind scene in which all those Civil War dead and wounded are laid out like cordwood — as a bit of an exaggeration. Call me crazy, but such bloodshed seems like a deeper sign of division than a bunch of sweaty partisan bloggers pounding their keyboards, or liberals and conservatives watching different cable news networks.

Also, denouncing partisanship doesn’t make anyone pure of heart. Uniters can be motivated by selfishness just as dividers can be on the side of the angels. Have you noticed how the people most concerned about political polarization tend to be politicians in power? Arnold Schwarzenegger has refashioned himself as a “post-partisan” governor in the hopes of bridging the supposedly terrible divisions in California. Maybe the guy who called Democrats “girlie men” in 2004 really has had a change of heart. Or maybe it dawned on him that partisanship, although useful for getting elected, is a handicap when it’s time to govern or burnish your record.

Or consider the incumbent-protection racket we call campaign-finance reform. Sitting senators and other politicians think it’s sacrilegious for their super-duperness to be questioned by anyone, let alone a group so base and low as politically engaged citizens. So they create laws that make it hard for challengers and critics to get heard. Negative and anonymous third-party ads are banned near elections in the name of promoting “civility.”

This attitude reminds me of The Simpsons episode in which Montgomery Burns’s political aspirations are dashed when Lisa Simpson exposes his past as an environmental criminal. “Ironic, isn’t it Smithers?” Burns says. “This anonymous clan of slack-jawed troglodytes has cost me the election, and yet if I were to have them killed, I would be the one to go to jail. That’s democracy for you.”

Many of our greatest heroes were men and women who were willing to rock the boat. If consensus is such a high political value, then the abolitionists, suffragettes and civil rights marchers are all villains.

Unity is not only overrated, it’s often undemocratic. Decrying the “polarization” may be something decent people are supposed to do, like recycling or paying more for organic breakfast cereal that tastes like kitty litter. But the alternative is no great shakes.

Hillary Clinton leads an all-star cast of politicians who wax poetic on their desire to get beyond politics, move past partisan labels or put ideology aside. When you hear that rhetoric, consider this as a translation: “Those who disagree with me should shut up and get on board the progress train.”

I have never witnessed anyone who said that we need to get beyond ideology actually abandon his own position for the sake of unity.

For example, Al Gore constantly says the time for debating global warming is over and the time for unified action is now. But he says that because he wants the other side to stop disagreeing with him. Gore critics and fans alike can agree that he would be an idiot and an intellectual coward if, valuing unity over substance, he switched sides. Similarly, activists on both sides of the Iraq war may think that unity’s nifty, but few seem willing to embrace the opposition’s view to achieve it.

The 2008 election is going to be a horror show of name-calling, cheap shots and spittle-flecked outrage. Some of the vitriol will be unfair and beyond the pale, and that’s to be condemned. But democracy is about disagreement, and you can’t have the former without the latter. So maybe we should stop griping and try to enjoy the ride.

AliOmalley
03-18-2007, 11:23 PM
Jonah Goldberg's mother was the person who leaked information to Linda Tripp about Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky. Its my opinion that Goldberg - who lives at Fox News (and rarely appears on any network) - is very very slanted in his opinions. He does not offer a balanced viewpoint at all.

Marlow
03-19-2007, 12:18 AM
Jonah Goldberg's mother was the person who leaked information to Linda Tripp about Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky. Its my opinion that Goldberg - who lives at Fox News (and rarely appears on any network) - is very very slanted in his opinions. He does not offer a balanced viewpoint at all.

Ali he's an opinion writer. There are opinion writers out there on both sides. Jonah works for National Review. Obviously he's a Conservative and offers Conservative opinions.

Rachel
03-19-2007, 01:31 AM
I am so glad I am not a journalist per se anymore. I think most of those biased writers, left or right are full of themselves and like to hear the sound of their own mediocre voices. Not that they aren't swell outside of their little columns, because many are.
but ...........ergh.............

AliOmalley
03-19-2007, 01:52 AM
What bothers me is the glut of people out there like Goldberg who try to pass themselves off as real life "journalists" when they are doing nothing but espousing their own personal opinions. This goes for both sides of the story, conservative and liberal. There are very few "real" journalists left in America.

Marlow
03-19-2007, 03:06 AM
I am so glad I am not a journalist per se anymore. I think most of those biased writers, left or right are full of themselves and like to hear the sound of their own mediocre voices. Not that they aren't swell outside of their little columns, because many are.
but ...........ergh.............
Yes, I agree Rachel. They all think they are experts, like on global warming or economics or the military.


What bothers me is the glut of people out there like Goldberg who try to pass themselves off as real life "journalists" when they are doing nothing but espousing their own personal opinions. This goes for both sides of the story, conservative and liberal. There are very few "real" journalists left in America.

Where have you heard Jonah Goldberg passes himself as a journalist? I've never seen that.

AliOmalley
03-19-2007, 01:40 PM
Jonah Goldberg's Gambling Debt: Will Tribune Company Pay It?
By Jeff Cohen, AlterNet. Posted February 7, 2007.


Right-wing pundit Jonah Goldberg made a bet two years ago that by this time Iraqis and Americans would agree the war was worth it. Time to pay up. There are many shades of right-wing punditry in our country. Among the shadiest is Jonah Goldberg. With arrogance seemingly matched only by his ignorance, Goldberg was just being Goldberg when he offered this wager two years ago:

"Let's make a bet. I predict that Iraq won't have a civil war, that it will have a viable constitution, and that a majority of Iraqis and Americans will, in two years time, agree that the war was worth it. I'll bet $1,000 (which I can hardly spare right now)."

The two-year period comes due this Thursday. Even Goldberg now realizes his prediction was totally wrong -- with poll after poll showing most Americans do not "agree that the war was worth it." (Not to mention what Iraqis think of the war or Goldberg's boast that "Iraq won't have a civil war.")

So shouldn't Goldberg -- or somebody -- pay off the $1,000?

The bet was offered near the end of an overheated blogo-debate between Goldberg (at National Review Online) and Dr. Juan Cole, the Middle East scholar from University of Michigan. In proposing the wager to Cole, Goldberg goaded: "Money where your mouth is, doc. One caveat: Because I don't think it's right to bet on such serious matters for personal gain, if I win, I'll donate the money to the USO."

Cole reacted to the proposed bet with disgust -- calling it symbolic of "the neo-imperial American Right. They are making their own fortunes with a wager on the fates of others, whom they are treating like ants." Wrote Cole: "Here we have a prominent American media star ... betting on Iraqis as though they are greyhounds in a race."

Just before Goldberg proposed his bet to Cole, the professor had fumed: "Goldberg is just a dime-a-dozen pundit. Cranky rich people hire sharp-tongued and relatively uninformed young people all the time and put them on the mass media to badmouth the poor, spread bigotry, exalt mindless militarism, promote anti-intellectualism, and ensure that right-wing views come to predominate."

"Relatively uninformed" seemed accurate to me, but I wondered about the "mindless militarism" charge -- although I knew Goldberg was one of dozens of pundits who mindlessly cheered on the Iraq invasion (and suffered no consequences). Then I saw a 2003 column in which Goldberg wrote of "bombing Afghanistan forward into the stone age" and relished this anecdote:

"In the weeks prior to the war to liberate Afghanistan, a good friend of mine would ask me almost every day, "Why aren't we killing people yet?" And I never had a good answer for him. Because one of the most important and vital things the United States could do after 9/11 was to kill people."

Since Goldberg felt compelled to tell us -- as he gallantly offered the $1,000 bet -- that it was money he "can hardly spare right now," you may wonder about his ability to pay. A look at his bio shows that Goldberg has had a high-flying career in mainstream media -- from CNN contributor to PBS producer to USA Today Board of Contributors. (Full disclosure: In 2000, he and I wrote relatively friendly point/counterpoint columns for Brill's Content.) One would think he could easily afford $1,000, especially for a charity like the USO.

But who knows -- maybe Goldberg has racked up huge gambling debts from ignorant wagers like the one tendered to Cole.

So I have a solution. Let the Tribune media conglomerate pay the $1,000. Not only does Tribune syndicate Goldberg's column, it was Tribune's Los Angeles Times that added the analytically impaired Goldberg to its columnist roster in November 2005 -- at the same time it fired renowned columnist Robert Scheer, whose Iraq analysis had been breathtakingly accurate.

Despite financial upheavals, the highly profitable Tribune Co. has plenty of money, as it lays off journalists en masse and squeezes the life out once proud newspapers like the L.A. Times.

Professor Cole may be right to dismiss Jonah Goldberg as a "dime-a-dozen pundit." But it's time to hold media corporations like Tribune responsible for elevating the Goldbergs and their reckless predictions -- as they strangle newspapers and silence serious journalists like Bob Scheer.

mazarane
03-19-2007, 07:32 PM
A fun read. Jonah Goldberg really makes the dryest subjects fun with his writing. While I agree that degate and disagreement is a good thing, we (I mean in general, not here) can be a little less vitriolic about it.

I know nothing about the man's background, but I tend to agree with most of his opinions in this article.

However, I also agree with Rachel/Marlow- there is a danger that we come to comfortably rely too much on opinion writers, who present their view only, rather than more balanced writers who expose us to both sides of the argument.

Marlow
03-20-2007, 05:06 AM
I know nothing about the man's background, but I tend to agree with most of his opinions in this article.

However, I also agree with Rachel/Marlow- there is a danger that we come to comfortably rely too much on opinion writers, who present their view only, rather than more balanced writers who expose us to both sides of the argument.

Well I agree with that too. I read some of the opinion writers as essayists, for their style, wit, and craft of writing. Jonah is actually quite good rhetorically, especially for his age. I don't think he's thirty.