A walk

[Hietanen]

I was walking the Finnish pavements, waiting for the summerborrowed solar rays, in my eyes the proteins swimming a hum, a beat of blood thru my muscles

I gathered glances, I was walking with chest upturned like an oyster holding my tongue in my legs, and A couple there a single girl, olderly woman, our eyes meet, for a second, two, she has manged her molded ass from her leather couch, our eyes meet, she smiles, I don`t.

I grow angry, irritated my mind wonders to her house, fleets, sees her fat husband on that expensive niggerskin couch sippin`on beer and hand resting on his paunch, watching American entertainment, munching on potato chips, dipping a sausage into some potatosalad.

The daughter is crying upstairs, disappointed with her looks, with her anorexiamind stealing a glance at the mirror, holding a mirror under her ass, looking at her pussy lips, her asshole, waxing herself up, rippin`her growth....

crying, his dad oblivious, feeling his cock, watching teenporn, and I fleet back, take a look at that house, a massive building, yeah a middle-class dream,a little bourgeoisie delicacy, and the shit carried with shovelfulls, I fleet the woman passing.

She smiled at me, that was it, I grow irritated, now was thinkin`to myself:

You bitch, you think I`m the kinda guy eating romantic suppers in candle light, eating your pussy for dessert, you think I`d let you use my body, MY body for free, this container that makes even my own cock stand on end when I take a good look in the mirror, bulging my tight muscles, this you bitch you can have only one way, out of delicacy, a little middle-class delicacy.

My evening with you, horny old bitch would go like this:

I would enter your house, stealing in, you standing in your bedroom, your husband asleep, I`d take you to bathroom, and order you like this:

"Cow get on your knees, and relax your rectum, yeah baby, yeeeeaaah just like that, let your husband snore, while I slap my rockhard cock over your buttocks, You would be soaking wet, I`d dip my cock in your loose old cunt, and nicely lubricated push it in your backdoor, singing "You men eat your dinner, eat your pork and beans, I eat more chicken any man ever seen, Grauuh!, Cause I`m a back door man, men don`t know, but the little girls(and old bitches) understand.. auh!".

Then, my love I`d work on your sleeping daughter, she murmuring in her sleep, wipe my dick on her expensive sheets and then to your husbands wallet, out with the money, yeah baby, I fucked your angels now it`s payday, and the crystals, thanks, how bout em forks, good, your old books, I`ll have them, how bout your credit card, tell me the number bitch!

You`d wave from the door and tell me to come again some other time, I`d wave with my bag, clinging with valuables, the card warming against my cock in my pocket.

And it feels a lot better than your old hole, you old cunt you, and I get an erection, laugh against the sky, immaculently, innocently like a man without care...

[Winifred]

Well, you certainly captured the psychopathic rapist mentality. What is your aim in posting this?

[Hietanen]

to test the limits of legitimate art and moral hippocrisy, the immorality of morality, to reflect on the social differences and differences of values, cultural degenerity in middle-class, the effects of americanisation, bourgeoisiement, to shock, middle-classment, the emptying of values, the family situation and the problem of individual, just to name a few...

[Hietanen]

Kahlil Gibran said it like this "If a crime takes place in some part of the world, we should all be held responsible."

[Hietanen]

And I believe that to criticise this piece of writing in the correct context, so to say in the correct form of relativity, you should look at the central tendencies and the symbols, the structure of the language as a whole, detatched from the common sense, and as a piece, a world of its own, a possible shceme, and maybe question the general way of life we are leading here in the west, and the question whether we can accept the fact that free people live among us, people who acknowledge no master in human form, immaculate, innocent people who see no lines between people or social classes, people who detest hippocrisy and double standards, people who want you use their youth and good looks for their advantage, and most of all, people who have no respect fot the value of money or for the principle of honest work and family values...

[Hietanen]

consider my membership here in this forum as a moral test for yourselves, remember how people took Miller when he came to say his word, or Bukowski, is it so that narrowminded people dare to look, to acknowledge a truly original voice only after his death?

this is a test then, My job is to stretch the morals of this site...

[Hietanen]

And yes, I may sound conceited, but the truth is that I`m just being honest, I like myself, my own voice, I sing, I shout, and the funny thing is that when you really do find your voice, you can write or speak Yiddish or hungary or russian and you never lose it, now this condemnation of me, on your behalf has been mere jealousy, the way I see it, I was playin`nice in the beginning wasn`t I?

So you should look in the mirror, truly...

The question now from you should be a I a narcist or a psychopath, the answer is no, definitely not, I derive my power from my emotions, but he moral standards are always borderlines not to be taken with impunity, like in Egypt it is truly just to kick the homeless children, and still that doesn`t mean that these people lack empathy, no, they just succumb to racehorsevision in order to live their lives in a chronological order in that particular cultural *****, and if their own child should fall ill, they`d cry and shed tears over his bed.

Just think about the space that romantic love has acquired in western culture after shakespeare, and the way that people cling to that, it being the only social ***** where it is acceptable to drop your seven masks, morality is relative, and the individualism...

[Hietanen]

*****

[Hietanen]

why is the word ***** freim cencored?

[Hietanen]

f r a m e, ***** that word

[Hietanen]

SO IS THIS A FENCE? ============

and this a cage ((((())))))))

and this a hedge? @@@@@@@@@

[Hietanen]

interesting...

[blp]

now this condemnation of me, on your behalf has been mere jealousy, the way I see it, I was playin`nice in the beginning wasn`t I?

So you should look in the mirror, truly...


We should look in the mirror?

Gee I don't feel patronised at all.

What condemnation are you talking about, Hietanen? Do you mean the very little moment when Star and I didn't totally one hundred per cent go for your other short story? Get a grip, you twit. You're being treated perfectly well. I've told you every time I thought you wrote something good. But if you're hoping for a public who'll fall at your feet every time you open your mouth, you're in the wrong game. Fascist dictatorship would be more your line.

As for using youth and good looks to get ahead, you might want to try a modeling agency. We're interested in literature here.

[Winifred]

Hietanen says:
f r a m e, ***** that word

Oceanflower says somewhere here in the forum that it has something to do with preventing spam.

H. says:
to test the limits of legitimate art and moral hippocrisy, the immorality of morality, to reflect on the social differences and differences of values, cultural degenerity in middle-class, the effects of americanisation, bourgeoisiement, to shock, middle-classment, the emptying of values, the family situation and the problem of individual, just to name a few...

Ok, I'll buy that, that is why I asked.

H. said:
remember how people took Miller when he came to say his word, or Bukowski, is it so that narrowminded people dare to look, to acknowledge a truly original voice only after his death?

so, are you saying that your "innocent, immaculate man, " humming Howlin' Wolf, and forcing himself where he wants, using other people and stealing their money and belongings, is the just reward for these middle class folk? How is he different from what he perceives them to be, if he is happy to have their despised goods?

What is original about violent porn?

What is amazing is your first five paragraphs, down to where the narrator( notice, please that I am not saying "you") takes offense at a smile. Although ugly, you have an original voice there, I think. After that, in my opinion, you disintegrate into rant.

Hietanen, the sources you quote, the things you write are often amazing. Stuff like this, frankly, scares me. It sounds like a plea for help.

[Hietanen]

I guess it is also to test the way of people communicating thru internet and these sort of multicultural forums, and just to really go there like, you know these debatings over the internet, theyre something new, something we have never experienced and what couldnt be possible since we are so apologizing face to face ( I have to admit that I am too, at least most times)

If a forum on the internet is tried to keep clean it often creates other type of dictatorship, that is the dictator ship of quiet morality, and structural violence, even if it is done by good people like our administrator Oceanflower here, a mother and a good person.

Still she exaggerates and falls victim to her middle-class view of morality and relationships between what is me and what is them, what is condemnable and what is acceptable.

Since you cant touch me, or stare me down thru the internet I am ready to act as a spitpool for you and provoke if youre willing to keep me here.

And to put and end to speculation, A walk, it is something I have thought otherwise I wouldn`t have written it, but I am also a tender being and I usually cry when I watch or read something sad, so no I am not a psychopath, and the truth is that the reasopn I wrote about looks is that I have often found that women criticise me thru my looks and treat me like a piece of meat, without a tought how I feel.

This is at least an opinion of man who has never approached a woman but who had to be merely raped to succumb to womans sexual desire...

[Hietanen]

never approached i. e never hit on a woman...

and violent porn... there is no violence, how bout if a drycunt girl sits on your cock,

isnt that violent?

[blp]

Hum. Sounds like there could have been stuff going on behind the scenes I didn't know about.

I can't speak for anyone else and I don't know whether it's really at issue, but I think you should stay - and not as a spitpool, just another person posting their views and works. You're certainly worth hearing from - even if you are a sexist, homophobic nitwit sometimes ;)

Again, I don't know if anyone was actually offended by the piece in this thread. If they were, it's sort of true that it raises moral issues, though I'd dispute that it does so in the way you say, Hietanen. From your last post above, it's clear that, as much as anything else, perhaps more than anything else, this is you working out some of your dark stuff. I'd say you're right to do it and that Winifred's right to say she finds it scary. If you really get at the dark stuff, it is scary. The moral point is simply that freedom of speech is necessary, even though it will sometimes make people uncomfortable. But you do that principle and yourself a disservice in turning it into some self-righteous romantic artist against the hypocritical bourgeoisie litany, which is a cliché, dishonest and childishly manichean. Physician heal thyself.

[Hietanen]

self-righteous, ev`ryone is guilty, like say you lop off a cathead, is it a sin?

Spiders are more usefull, but less qute, thres a morality check for you...

[blp]

Thanks. I feel really challenged.

You say you've been playing nice from the start, but, first of all, that's not true. I told you to play nice when you steamed in straight away insulting Winifred. And second, you're so punchy that even if someone says something nice to you, you ignore it or don't notice it and go straight for the little grain of potential fight in what they say. Whatever you claim to say about morality is all compromised by this - that you're so obviously looking for a fight the whole time. You seem to be using morality as an excuse - which is not very moral in itself.

[Bliss]

Interesting.

I am not sure if I concur with your belief that everyone is self-righteous.

I do not believe in sin so I could not answer your question.

I am not sure what you are trying to convey in regards to the spider and morality.

I find your response posts quite riveting.

[Hietanen]

Riveting, coveting, like walkking down the liiineee, my feet`l be flyin, to tiila baut mi troubled mind, and Winifred I rickety realized that youse a hickety old hippie.

Got a heavy headed gal, yeah she troubled like them old cottonpickers,

"Hey there Joe!"
YEs massa!

Go fetch me a port from the arabians, and some peasant juice from backsweat, hold the reins you slave, work my wife,

The sleigh, and the northern lights, interesting you say, this machine, is a thinking device formulated for a ***** spam,

And for you blp I have only one thing,

You seem like a man who`s in need of a chocolate ice-cream and a blowjob, the cornerbar sells em both on discount, hardy har hard dick, and the sailor covered in chinese leaves.

Well baby, buy one for me too.

[blp]

territorial pissings

[Hietanen]

yeah and cobain was a slut

[Bliss]

"You know who the critics are? The men who have failed in literature and art."
-Benjamin Disraeli

[blp]

Is that directed at me, Bliss?

Hietanen, I suggested that you weren't able to accept or acknowledge a single kind word and you decided to prove my point by letting fly with a stream of your increasingly samey obfuscatory invective. It's true isn't it? Your main thing is you can't cope with people being nice to you.

[Hietanen]

what destroyed Nietzsche? acceptance.

Do you know how it feels blp really to be treated like a piece of attractive meat.

I know you think I`m flatterin`m`self but my picture is in this forum, and my mind, the way I think, my poems, all that is more important than being an attractive male.

I have felt myself cheap when I have let women use me, just because they`ve let me sleep in their soft beds and proffer a good breakfast, I mean that`s cheap price for feeling like a whore aint it?

But I have this thing, back in the day my mother brought drunk friends to our house and theyd`say "Oh what a handsome boy!", then come to my room and harrass me,

sO MY BEING A chauvinist isnt theoretical its emotional and you cant break those bonds.

[blp]

I thought Nietzsche got rejected by the woman he loved and then went mad.

I'm not trying to break anything. What you just said makes perfect sense. I haven't seen your picture yet and I'm probably not half the beautiful boy you are, but I do know the feeling of being used - even sexually. You've been badly hurt. You have every right to talk about it and it's a particularly good subject because it's such an unusual perspective, with the potential to be genuinely morally challenging - a man or boy being mistreated by women. We don't hear much about that. It's almost taboo.

My point is that, having been hurt, you now waste a lot of time lashing out, apparently trying to hurt others who don't mean you any harm. The mistake of every hurt person is to imagine that in learning what some people are like, they've learned what all people are like.

[Hietanen]

I`m emotionally unbalanced that is what, and that is why I get wrongly understood.

My views change in accordance of my moods, they sway, like grass under the maternal caress of wind.
And what is the feminine symbol the archetype?

Why is it seen in our culture that women are pure, clean, when they`re exactly the opposite, the fecund, lifebreeding character of shit and blood and sweat and tears..

[Bliss]

blp, nope.
Just an observation that sometimes when people lash out, they are frustrated with themselves and overly protective of what they can offer because they feel they have failed in some way.

[blp]

Ah. Cool. Well - you know, it could have been directed at me then - sometimes.

[Bliss]

I am also guilty of feeling that way at times. ; )

[Star_Anise]

Why is it seen in our culture that women are pure, clean, when they`re exactly the opposite, the fecund, lifebreeding character of shit and blood and sweat and tears..


Beware of generalisations, H. And of mistaking representations for the things they represent.

We are happy to have you and your views here, but you might find it more useful for everyone if you interacted with us instead of reducing us to archetypes when we'd much prefer to engage with you as three dimensional beings.

[Hietanen]

I guess it must be that I`ve never met a good woman in my life.

Just cold, hard calculative highstrung

or the horny one`s.